Talk:List of tallest buildings in the United States

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Height Graphic[edit]

The chart showing the heights of the buildings is incorrect. It shows the Empire State Building being both taller than the 432 Park Avenue building and Trump Tower Chicago, and at 450m. In reality, the ESB is shorter than both of these buildings, and it doesn't even surpass the 400m mark, much less the 450m. UNSC Luke 1021 (talk) 17:38, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

That is because the ESB's official height is 381 meters, but it has an antenna that stretches to almost 450 meters, which isn't considered part of the building itself. Kestreltail (talk) 16:34, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Height discrepancies[edit]

Today, I started to correct this page, but then I realized that there are many definitions of height for buildings and structures. I was looking at List of tallest buildings in the United States, which lists U.S. buildings at least 700 ft tall, and List of tallest buildings in Chicago, which has 22 buildings above 700 included. I noticed NEMA (Chicago) is not on the US list. So I started looking more closely. Here are the discrepancies that I found:

  1. Olympia Centre (725 on Chicago list/731 on US list)
  2. 150 North Riverside (747/725)
  3. Grant Thornton Tower (755/756)
  4. 300 North LaSalle (784/795)
  5. Blue Cross Blue Shield Tower (796/743)
  6. The Legacy at Millennium Park (822/818)
  7. One Bennett Park (843/844)
  8. Chase Tower (Chicago) (850/868)
  9. Aqua (skyscraper) (860/859)
  10. Water Tower Place (860/859)
  11. 900 North Michigan (871/869)
  12. NEMA (Chicago) (896 completed/892 under construction)
  13. Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago) (1388/1389)

Can someone who has expertise in this area explain these discrepant heights?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:23, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

there’s not really an authoritative source for heights and they can differ. And everyone has their favorite source. Someone will go to Emporis and translate meters to feet and you get a discrepancy. Every now and then, some little helper will go to the Skyscraper center and use heights from that and renumber the whole page. Here’s 300 N lasalle at one and the other
Who’s right? Beats me. I’m fine if you want to use Skyscraper Center on these. The Council of Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat seems as reliable as anything else. I suppose my preference would be using meters, because then you can dispense with some of the 1-foot variances that tend to come up. But that’s a big spicy meatball and Its a lot of headache over nothing. TastyPoutine talk (if you dare) 12:35, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
Whatever source we use, it should not be since it is not reliable, that source needs to be edited out of the page. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/ (talk) 02:09, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

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Pueblo Bonito[edit]

@Andre Carrotflower: I just wanted to let you know that I returned Pueblo Bonito to the article despite its construction being pre-1776. As the main article, United States, does briefly cover the ancestral pueblans in the pre-columbian history section, I think it can go here as well. However if you disagree I am willing to hear you out, and I'm open to changing my mind, thank you. (please ping on reply)

𝒬𝔔 01:09, 26 February 2020 (UTC) P.S. Please allow a few days for replies, I can usually respond within the week.

Quantocius Quantotius, Thanks for readding the automatic row numbering. I'm hesitant to include Pueblo Bonito. Neither the source provided nor its article claims it to be the tallest structure until 1754; that seems to be inferred from the claim of being 6 stories, but we also know it collapsed at some point: this is original research. Its article even says "In parts of the village, the tiered structure was four and five stories high." It also says "The wall stood 97 feet (30 m) high." but without an in-line source. I don't know much else about this place, but the wall apparently built for defence does not necessarily fit the definition of a building. We need better referencing. Reywas92Talk 02:13, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
@Reywas92: Thanks for your reply. I re-added it because it was there until last time I checked, and the reason for removal given was that it was not part of the US until 1848, since the article on the united states itself covered the regions pre-columbian history, my initial thought was to add it back pending discussion. I hadn't actually read through the sources in detail, but now having done so, I think you're correct, the reference to the wall height does not verify the height of the tallest building in the complex, so it should be removed unless and until we can find better sourcing, good catch. Seeing as no one else has objected thus far I've been bold and removed it in it's entirety. It's still archived to page history so it won't be difficult to return to the table if better sources are found, I'm a bit short on time now, so I'll respond to your other stuff in a day or two, have a good one, and happy editing.
𝒬𝔔 03:09, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Philadelphia#Timeline_of_tallest_buildings has Independence Hall as 134 ft from 1748 to 1754 (though Independence Hall doesn't mention what happened in 1748 since the clock (not sure about the clock tower) didn't go in until 1753). List_of_tallest_buildings_in_New_York_City#Timeline_of_tallest_buildings says the Collegiate Reformed Protestant Dutch Church had an unknown height from 1643. List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Boston#Timeline_of_tallest_buildings has two buildings pre-dating Christ Church (post-dating Pueblo Bonito's collapse), so this was kind of a failure to put Pueblo Bonito in as it was. And would Cahokia#Monks_Mound count? It's 30m (100 ft) too, so again we need better sources. Not opposed to it for not having been part of the US yet though. Reywas92Talk 02:39, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
@Reywas92: Look just wanted to let you know, that I don't have time to do the research to extend the history list further back or dig into this articles references just yet as I'm focusing my limited time on other things at the moment. I did notice that it includes Phoenix Shot Tower which is a structure and not a building as it is not habitable and this list includes only tallest buildings not tallest buildings and structures, but I'm leaving it in for now so as to not leave a gap in the list. This is on my to do list for article fixes, so I will be back to overhaul this at some point. However, if you need any quick fixes or help with templates or tables, feel free to ping me, and I'll try and help the next time I log in. As a side note I don't think Esemono will be responding anytime soon given the lack of any recent edits, but you never know.
𝒬𝔔 23:28, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Ugh, wtf Esemono? This has been in the article for over 7 years now with absolutely nothing verifying what it said. Reywas92Talk 02:51, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

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